Lets all make $30,000.00 a year so that it is fair to everyone FORGET all about incentives, working hard etc. etc.

Let doctors and waitresses all make $30,000.00 BOY DOESN"T THAT MAKE YA WANNA GET UP IN THE MORNING AND GO TO WORK...

I don't think so...

I am SO tired of all of this redistribution of wealth it makes me sick...

America is supposed to be free and that includes free to be POOR AND RICH some may call it luck some may call it work either way I want to be able to have the dream of being rich without having to give every dime away to every American cuz they don't have the same money I do..

ALL OF YOU take a look at what you make and then realize that there is ALWAYS someone who HAS LESS THAN YOU and really think about this, is it fair to be forced to give your money away because you make more then someone else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

And while we are at it we should stop such socialist organizations as the police, fire department, libraries, public schools and all of our roads and other infrastructure. Yep, we should all keep the money to ourselves and see how much the privatized cops charge you to come out and investigate a call, or how much tuition you'll have to pay to send your child to private school. Yep, socialism never works in any capacity.

I don't mind giving money for the greater good. We all benefit in the end so I don't see the problem here. I guess I'm just not that greedy.

People who demand others give them money because they don't have the same IS BEING GREEDY.

If as an individual I feel like I can offer someone who needs help like food, or money than I have no problem helping out BUT I DON"T NEED THE GOVERNMENT TELLING ME I HAVE TO GIVE MY MONEY AWAY or how much I have to give..

If equality is what everyone wants THAN WHY NOT A FLAT TAX. That is as fair as it can be.

Why is it always those who have less EXPECT that everyone owes them something. I don't get mad at those who make more then I do in FACT IT DOES THE OPPOSITE it gives me hope that one day I could make that much.

Greed comes from those who want to take what someone else has.

Seriously, all this crap, like that youtube video, is just stuff coming up a week before the election to scare people into voting one way or another. I don't buy into these scare tactics.

And anyways, where do you think the extra tax on people making more than $250,000.00 a year will be going? Are they just going to be handing it out on the street to these so-called greedy poor people? I mean seriously.

How dare anyone help anyone else anyways? These rich people who have their panties in a wad because they might have to pay a little more in taxes are the greedy ones. If those people were truly thankful for what they have then they would be more than happy to pay a higher tax to give a little relief to a poor family working two or three jobs and trying to put food on the table (even if they're so greedy wanting food for their kids and all......).

Neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism work. You have to have a balance.

I couldn't agree more Pippin.

I just have to weigh in on this. This spreading the wealth around I believe is a misrepresentation. What I heard Obama say was that he would eliminate disfunctional programs and invest in programs that work but are underfunded. People fretting over their money being taken and just handed to those who choose to not work is rediculous. I think Clinton did more to reform welfare than any other president in history and actually managed to train them and get them working. I would gladly pay higher taxes to ensure that my grandchildren had AFFORDABLE health care and a better opportunity for higher education. And my husband and I are nowhere near the 250,000$ income to where our taxes would go up. As a matter of fact my husband became disabled four years ago and has been getting those ENTITLEMENTS called Social Security Disability INSURANCE and VA disability because his disability stemmed from getting blown up during the Viet Nam war. Good ol' POW McCain has consistantly voted to cut and or not fund our veterans post health and educational provisions time and time again! How can he do that to his OWN????? And speaking of social security I have never believed that there should be a cap on that tax. We have robbed that system so many times I think it is shamefull and the money should be put back in. I think we owe it to our older people to somewhat help them in their golden (HA!) years. It is no different than paying into any other insurance program.

Yep, it is just a last chance scare tactic before the election.

sorry was going to post but changed my mind.

cant delete for some odd reason.

This post was last modified: 10-28-2008 11:19 AM by iaowings.

iaowings - I love your halloween signature :)

Amen!!!

Pure capitalism = I got mine. I want more. If I can exploit someone else, or the environment, or the resources of the country and give back practically nothing to get it, more the better.

[Oh, I made a huge mess that will cost millions to clean up?! Don't look at me to pay for it, that's the government's job! That's why "we" pay taxes. Get Big Government off the backs of the people!!!]

The real thing was get government off the backs of the corporations, let them loot the treasury as they see fit, bail them out when they f@#% up, and put Government ENTIRELY on the backs of the little people... It's your responsibility as a citizen to be a slave to the national debt for the rest of your life, for your children's lives, and for the lives of generations to come!!!

Again, when Bush came into office we were at peace, and we had the largest budget surplus in history. 8 years later we are fighting multiple wars, without substantial justification, corporations have looted the treasury, and we have the largest deficits in our nations history!!!

And McCain sided with Bush and the Corporations 90% of the time!!!

As to that redistribution of wealth nonsense: Since when does the President have the power to arbitrarily confiscate and redistribute wealth in this country?! [It would be unconsitutional if he tried it!]

Why should the middle class, who percentage wise has the highest tax burden, end up paying for everything?!

Pure Socialism = We're all in the same bucket of $hit. Only somehow, some of the pigs seem to have more than others, and seem to be more equal than others.

This post was last modified: 10-28-2008 02:23 PM by Birdman660.

and how did those people manage to make so much money? they probably weren't born in a ghetto. LUCK. they probably went to college. HARD WORK. if they're not from a rich family, they probably relied on the GOVERNMENT for student loans, grants, and other federal aid. INTERVENTION.

and that's how most people who make so much money get started. pull those incentives and not only are you giving WITHOUT getting back, investing in people WITHOUT a return- you are also squashing the likelihood of our entire society to advance.

i grew up in poverty. we got some assistance from the government so i could grow up healthy. i got my immunizations at city immunization clinics so that i could go to school without risk of spreading illness. i was given a "head start" at a pre-kindergarten program targeted for low-income families. i am HAPPY to be earning my graduate degree (with the help of grants, student loans, fellowships, and other government money) so that i can pay back the system for what they paid for me.

the middle class is expected to pay the greatest tax burden AND drive the economy all at the same time. doesn't that seem a tad ridiculous?

socialism is also having the government tell you what to do. like you can't read this book, you can't have this marriage, and you can't make a medical decision because the court has made it for you. anyone opposed to that kind of socialism or just the financial kind?

In other words, cutting back on the wasteful social programs that actually end up doing nothing to improve the situation will be eliminated, and the money will go to the programs that are getting the job done.

He is saying, Gee, maybe funding should be based upon effectiveness!!! (Not just on whose campaign you contributed to. Now fund my program. Thanks!) What a concept, eh?!

SOME of the social programs from the 60's were working.

Certainly many of FDR's programs not only worked, but went a long way to help the economy recover from the depression.

Now is the time to invest in our infastructure. We will need public works and social programs to stimulate the economy, now that the national treasury has been absolutely looted to the point of world economic colapse by the very rich 1% to 2%!!!

Tell me again why I should be bailing these people out?!

It's certainly money better spent than picking up some rich guys $200,000.00 weekend bar tab!!! I mean how offensive is that?!

What the hell, we're broke, what do you say we have one last party at the taxpayers expense?!

Is this Wall Street, or Animal House with more expensive liquor?! TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

And here's a 30 million dollar golden parachute for you, and 10 million for you, and...

Business as usual.

TIME TO SAY ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

I actually voted absentee last week. But at each re-election I intend to vote against EVERY incombant, until this country starts heading in a different direction.

Enough wasteful special interest spending.

This post was last modified: 10-28-2008 02:26 PM by Birdman660.

Birdman for President!

We've just finished with President Bush... Isn't one moron in the White House enough?!

I like Obama's message. I am anxious to see how he intends to follow through.

I am also interested in the message sent to Congress this term... as in, enough of you guys, get out all of ya'!

Now, when it starts affecting their job security, that will matter more than the special interest money, which they will take anyway...

vote for mickey mouse he cares for all . not all people chooses to be poor , the medically ill people who have to be on social security , ssi and things dont choose to be poor but medical reasons they cant work. but im voting for mickey mouse maybe then the world be better

i finally watched the youtube video, and am suspect of the editing and context. he was talking about ramifications of the civil rights movement and i'm presuming the issue was some type of reparations or other wealth distribution to african americans.

this has nothing to do with taxation of all americans to the point where you put a (hyperbole, anyone?) 88% or higher tax on someone making $250k/year so that we all come home with $30k at the end of each year.

and again, what about big brother/religious right telling us what's good for us, what we can and can't do?

I sure hope that Mr. Obama is the man and is going to save everyone cuz we are in a world of mess and we don't need to go down any more... But I have my doubts. I see him as another politician selling a lie to save the poor.

Everytime the government wants to help someone out our taxes go up and we see nothing in return..

As far as big brother/religous rights I don't like them either. I want less government, less religous groups/politicians in my bussiness...

Have any of you ever looked at other parties like Libertarian, or Constitution party?
This country needs change and IMO the only way we are gonna get it is if we FIRE ALL REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATES.
Lets bring in some new blood.

We have a Recreational levy here where I live that will be on the ballot election day. They want to take about $27 per $100,000 from everyone's (already high!) property taxes to pay for updating the local recreational properties...ie. the swimming pool, tennis courts, basketball courts, etc.
The argument is that it will raise my property value and be good for the community as a whole. I argued back that the current recreational property has always done fine being "kept up" using fundraising and volunteers and that since I didn't use the property myself, why should I be asked to pay for it? I was called "cheap" and a few other names I won't mention. LOL!

My point is that I don't mind being ASKED to donate but being MADE to give is another thing! When the electric and gas bills are going sky high this Winter and everyone is having trouble making ends meet come Spring, the newly renovated recreational property will do me no good...but having that extra $27-$54 in my pocket will!

Another thing that scares me about this "redistribution of wealth" idea is the fact that my parents worked their butts off when I was young to put aside money for us. They didn't start out "rich"...FAR from it!! But my Dad was smart, possibly even "lucky" at developing ideas and owned several businesses over his lifetime that were prosperous!
When I was growing up my parents were quite tight with their money...we didn't go on fancy vacations, buy fancy clothes, etc, etc, but we could have...they didn't though...they put it away so that they could live comfortable in their old age and provide for us kids and their grandkids!
What my sis and I stand to inherit someday ranges in the millions and I worry that the money my parents worked so hard for and had dreams of doing will be given to someone else.
(We are in the process now of trying to safeguard it though just in case!)
Now before someone calls me "cheap" again, let me say this and that is when I DO get my inheritance someday I have plans to donate some monies to a few charities of my choice...BUT it will be my choice and I feel that is fair!
I also plan to follow the same ideals as my parents and set aside money for my own daughter and her children.
Which BTW...Her college has not been free persay...there was a college fund set up for her by my parents and she does have scholarships but none of this was possible had she not been an honors student throughout her educational years and worked hard to earn good grades! (the scholarships are based on GPA)

I say let the people who have worked hard and honest for their money, be it in the millions or less, keep it!
There are two things I feel strongly about and that is MY family and MY money! Let someone try to take either from me and I turn into an angry Mother bear who is not afraid to fight (or kill) someone who wishes to harm us!

Mickey Mouse is in bed with the Disney Corp. The 500 pound gorilla of cartoon companies... He doesn't even scratch himself without first getting corporate approval!

Mickey confirms U.S./Disney merger... THE UNITED STATES TO BE RENAMED "THE MAGIC KINGDOM OF MICKEY!"

From now on all politicians will be "Mickey Mouse" politicians. For once the political process will be honest! "Yeah, Mickey!"

That mouse is dangerous! He'll tear up the constitution I tell you!

This post was last modified: 10-29-2008 12:23 PM by Birdman660.